There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
a.. Product naming and packaging a.. All Client applications, including Groove 2007 a.. All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details a.. Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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GOING POSTAL ABOUT NEWSGROUPS!
Zack Whittaker wrote:
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: snip # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 **
So that G----- isn't Groove, I gather. Or Google ;-)
Shhh, MS Google 2007 is still secret ;)
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Mike Williams wrote:
Zack Whittaker wrote:
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: snip # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 **
So that G----- isn't Groove, I gather. Or Google ;-)
LOL - sorry, Groove is OK to talk about now - I copied and pasted from a previous post of mine :o) But yeh, Groove Server and Groove in general can be talked about.
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Shhh, MS Google 2007 is still secret ;)
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Mike Williams wrote: Zack Whittaker wrote:
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: snip # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 **
So that G----- isn't Groove, I gather. Or Google ;-)
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT >under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Is that the MS scripting shell codename "GONADS" ;-)
Peter Lawton
Hello!
"Peter Lawton" wrote in message
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT >under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Is that the MS scripting shell codename "GONADS" ;-)
Microsoft (TM) Go-nuts
Cheers, Roman
LOL :oP But hopefully that post will stop Kevin go on and on about how we're breaking this NDA which doesn't even exist on the Vista beta. Any more from him, and I'll get someone from Microsoft to post here and make it 100% official.
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Hello!
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"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT >under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Is that the MS scripting shell codename "GONADS" ;-)
Microsoft (TM) Go-nuts
Cheers, Roman
Zack Whittaker wrote:
LOL :oP But hopefully that post will stop Kevin go on and on about how we're breaking this NDA which doesn't even exist on the Vista beta. Any more from him, and I'll get someone from Microsoft to post here and make it 100% official.
Do you think it will make one bit of difference to Kevin?
I'm remaining optimistic :o)
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Zack Whittaker wrote: LOL :oP But hopefully that post will stop Kevin go on and on about how we're breaking this NDA which doesn't even exist on the Vista beta. Any more from him, and I'll get someone from Microsoft to post here and make it 100% official.
Do you think it will make one bit of difference to Kevin?
And I'll remain realistic: No. :( haha
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Zack Whittaker wrote:
I'm remaining optimistic :o)
Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
a.. Product naming and packaging a.. All Client applications, including Groove 2007 a.. All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details a.. Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Hey, and thanks!
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--: Original message follows :-- "Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
a.. Product naming and packaging a.. All Client applications, including Groove 2007 a.. All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details a.. Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Which is what part of it is supposed to be about :)
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Zack Whittaker wrote:
Hey, and thanks!
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"Peter" <peter@discussions.microsoft.com mailto:peter@discussions.microsoft.com>> wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
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"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk>> wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
*WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
# Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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You are likely to be a Windows Fiji tester than a Vista at this stage of development. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Product naming and packaging All Client applications, including Groove 2007 All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Ah well, that's the luck of the draw. I did sign on as soon as they started taking public applications.
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"Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Product naming and packaging All Client applications, including Groove 2007 All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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I thought that the next release (after Vista) is Blackcomb?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Product naming and packaging All Client applications, including Groove 2007 All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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I thought Vienna. But I suspect Andre's comment was in jest ;)
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Kevin John Panzke wrote:
I thought that the next release (after Vista) is Blackcomb?
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"Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Product naming and packaging All Client applications, including Groove 2007 All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in). "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
a.. Product naming and packaging a.. All Client applications, including Groove 2007 a.. All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details a.. Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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P.S. Based on the Information that he Disclosed: I now know that Build 5342 is Not an IDW Build as well as it Not being a CTP Build. "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in). "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
a.. Product naming and packaging a.. All Client applications, including Groove 2007 a.. All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details a.. Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote:
Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk <mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
*WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
# Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Yesterday, Mike Williams Wrote the Following:
5342, not 5432 (don't start a stampede of new requests!!).
Ah yes, I remember now, it was released early to private NG readers before being publicised more widely, but the launch email says:
5342 is not:
· A CTP or IDW build and will not be released to MSDN.
· Upgradeable from any other build, Windows XP or Vista.
· Available in any other version besides Ultimate.
· Tested to the degree that a CTP build is though we believe the quality to be high.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" wrote in message
Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk <mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one. *WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: # Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Although posted from email, I can't really see a problem, because in other words what you're saying is that anyone who has said that it will not be released to MSDN has violated their NDA, which is untrue (that was just as an example).
If someone violates their NDA badly enough that Microsoft want to get involved, then of what importance is it to you? Let them get on with it, and if it's that bad, MS will kick them off the beta (assuming they know who it is). And if MS can't determine who it is, then what's the point in telling them they're violating their NDA.
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Kevin John Panzke wrote:
Yesterday, Mike Williams Wrote the Following:
5342, not 5432 (don't start a stampede of new requests!!).
Ah yes, I remember now, it was released early to private NG readers before being publicised more widely, but the launch email says:
5342 is not:
· A CTP or IDW build and will not be released to MSDN.
· Upgradeable from any other build, Windows XP or Vista.
· Available in any other version besides Ultimate.
· Tested to the degree that a CTP build is though we believe the quality to be high.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk <mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one. *WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: # Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Well, I am waiting for your Reply, so is it a TOS (Terms of Service) Violation or Not?
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message
Yesterday, Mike Williams Wrote the Following:
5342, not 5432 (don't start a stampede of new requests!!).
Ah yes, I remember now, it was released early to private NG readers before being publicised more widely, but the launch email says:
5342 is not:
· A CTP or IDW build and will not be released to MSDN.
· Upgradeable from any other build, Windows XP or Vista.
· Available in any other version besides Ultimate.
· Tested to the degree that a CTP build is though we believe the quality to be high.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk <mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one. *WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: # Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
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Windows Fiji - also known as Windows Vista R2 : http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1948571,00.asp -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
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I thought Vienna. But I suspect Andre's comment was in jest ;)
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: I thought that the next release (after Vista) is Blackcomb?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You are likely to be a Windows Fiji tester than a Vista at this stage of development. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Peter" wrote in message Just want you guys to know that, as a (hopefully) future Vista Beta tester I come here every day to have a laugh!!
;-)
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista as much as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
OFFICE NDA You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't:
Product naming and packaging All Client applications, including Groove 2007 All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
I stand corrected :)
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
Windows Fiji - also known as Windows Vista R2 : http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1948571,00.asp
His Post is a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation) AFAIK.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" wrote in message
Although posted from email, I can't really see a problem, because in other words what you're saying is that anyone who has said that it will not be released to MSDN has violated their NDA, which is untrue (that was just as an example).
If someone violates their NDA badly enough that Microsoft want to get involved, then of what importance is it to you? Let them get on with it, and if it's that bad, MS will kick them off the beta (assuming they know who it is). And if MS can't determine who it is, then what's the point in telling them they're violating their NDA.
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Yesterday, Mike Williams Wrote the Following:
5342, not 5432 (don't start a stampede of new requests!!).
Ah yes, I remember now, it was released early to private NG readers before being publicised more widely, but the launch email says:
5342 is not:
· A CTP or IDW build and will not be released to MSDN.
· Upgradeable from any other build, Windows XP or Vista.
· Available in any other version besides Ultimate.
· Tested to the degree that a CTP build is though we believe the quality to be high.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk <mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one. *WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: # Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk <http://www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org <http://www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk http://www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
Who cares?
-- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message
His Post is a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation) AFAIK.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Although posted from email, I can't really see a problem, because in other words what you're saying is that anyone who has said that it will not be released to MSDN has violated their NDA, which is untrue (that was just as an example).
If someone violates their NDA badly enough that Microsoft want to get involved, then of what importance is it to you? Let them get on with it, and if it's that bad, MS will kick them off the beta (assuming they know who it is). And if MS can't determine who it is, then what's the point in telling them they're violating their NDA.
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Yesterday, Mike Williams Wrote the Following:
5342, not 5432 (don't start a stampede of new requests!!).
Ah yes, I remember now, it was released early to private NG readers before being publicised more widely, but the launch email says:
5342 is not:
· A CTP or IDW build and will not be released to MSDN.
· Upgradeable from any other build, Windows XP or Vista.
· Available in any other version besides Ultimate.
· Tested to the degree that a CTP build is though we believe the quality to be high.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Have I missed something? To whom are you referring?
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Kevin John Panzke wrote: Zack, what he did yesterday, was he took an Official Beta Annoucement Document from the Private Beta Newsgroups (which I believe was supposed to be for Official Beta Tester's Eyes Only), and made it Public! If that is Not a TOS Violation (Terms of Service Violation), I just don't know what else it would be considered (which has always been a No No in every Private Beta that I have been in).
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk mailto:admin@zacknet.co.uk wrote in message There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one. *WINDOWS VISTA TECHNICAL BETA NDA* There isn't one. There is no non-disclousure aggreements which enables us (and been confirmed by the developers) that we can talk about Vista/ as much /as we want, post screenshots, write reviews, ALL of that we are allowed to do - just not let people outside of the beta have hold of the downloads! That's the only catch to it.
*OFFICE NDA* You're not allowed to talk about the server side of Office, nor are you allowed to talk or even mention the product that has 6 letters and starts with a G (being careful here myself) as those are still under NDA. Any other aspect of Office is NOT under NDA so we can talk about it freely :o) The following is allowed - anything which isn't that then you can't: # Product naming and packaging # All Client applications, including Groove 2007 ** # All Server applications, including both capabilities and feature-level server details ** # Key investment areas (collaboration, Business Intelligence, Enterprise Content Management, Enterprise Project Management).
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk http://www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org <http://www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk http://www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
Kevin, why do you care so much more than anyone else?
Which was kind of my point. Kevin, why do you care. Are you on commission for shopping in people who may or may not have violated any NDA? If you are, fair enough, if you're not, why do you care? And let's say he had reworded the text from the email but pretty much given the same information, would you be spouting off then? Just drop, seriously! Surely there are more important things to be doing... Like finding bugs in Vista :)
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Peter wrote:
Who cares?
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in news:ewRggMuXGHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
There are some people (person) in this newsgroup at least who think's they're cool by going off at other people for "violating NDA's" and breaking the rules... so I'm getting dispair of this one and hopefully a certain Mr. Panzke will listen to this one.
Why would you care? Just plonk him as you would any other troll...
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